[Lekooks] Debate performance

Sat Jun 29 12:59:08 CDT 2024

I would love to learn these skills.

Christine

On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 11:56 AM Matt Aspin via Lekooks <lekooks at lekook.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Rev. Matt here. I was waiting for the right moment to chime in and this
> feels like this.
>
> Whether it's a policy already or not, recent history and scholarship has
> shown that on line is not the healthiest forum to debate difficult issues.
>
> This does not mean that difficult issues should not be addressed. Failing
> to debate difficult topics can be just as damaging to a democracy.
>
> Our UU faith tradition has a rich history of political dissent. The
> Founders of this nation rarely agreed, but they were able to stay within
> the hard tension of disagreement until agreeable comprises could be
> reached-hopefully with ideas that were strengthened through the process of
> vigorous debate.
>
> This seems to be a lost art, a practice that our faith tradition implores
> us to resurrect. There is a line in the Purpose Statement of your Bylaws
> that says:
>
> "To act as a moral force in the world governed by justice, equity, and
> compassion."
>
> Social media draws us into our chosen belief bubbles, and our culture
> discourages us from being disagreeable. But if we are to have any claim to
> being a moral force in the world, we have got to get better at bringing our
> ideas to the community, listening to disagreement, and committing to stay
> in conversation until we are on confident that whatever ideas we move
> forward with have passed not only our own litmus but also that of our
> gathered community (especially those that seem to disagree with us).
>
> All of which is to say...if anyone is interested in forming a group
> committed to learning and practicing the skills of vigorous debate within
> the context of covenantal relationship, I would be eager to participate in
> and support such a group.
>
> Because again...if not us, then who, and if not now, then when?
>
> Rev Matt
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 11:28 AM Kirsten Olson via Lekooks <
> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steph.  You are correct
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 11:02 AM, Michael McNett via Lekooks <
>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi, Stephanie,
>>
>> I would enthusiastically support you in that stance, even if it hadn’t
>> already been established. The potential for hurt feelings, antagonisms,
>> etc. associated with political discussions is at this time so high that it
>> doesn’t would seem unjustified to engage in it in this format.
>>
>> It would seem far more prudent for someone who wants to share political
>> views to specifically target the people who they believe would be
>> appropriate to receive their message.
>>
>> Thank you for the bringing this to our attention,
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:50 PM, Stephanie Tsoris via Lekooks <
>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Good morning! ☀️
>>
>> My understanding is that we are not supposed to use Lekooks for politics
>> anymore. Feel free to correct me if I’m mistaken.
>>
>> ✌��
>>
>> ~Steph
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 8:23 AM, Jon Hubbard via Lekooks <lekooks at lekook.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I already provided a reference that is a direct source- his own website,
>> where he clearly explains all his positions... you'll see if you go there (
>> https://kennedy24.com ) he's not extreme on the vaccinations... that's
>> just one of the negative propaganda from those aligned against him.  He's
>> pushing for better research and scrutiny of the fda processes.   He has
>> lots of video out there where he addresses a lot of these misleading
>> stories his opponents have told over the years.
>>
>> For those not internet savvy, you can find me any given Sunday at church,
>> and I can show you the sources he provides... you may or may not side with
>> him, but I can definitely get you to the accurate information that he
>> himself provides.
>>
>> As for third party candidates not being realistic... well, that's only
>> true until the first time it's not true... what better time than now to
>> build a better world with more choices and a truer system of democracy.
>> Given the lack of appeal of either of the traditional two sides, Kennedy
>> has a unique opportunity of not having a ton of competition... his biggest
>> obstacle truly is the belief that third party candidates can't win... and
>> after this fiasco of a debate, there's been dvem more interest and support
>> in him...
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 7:28 AM Phil Smith <psmithw318 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll side with Gerry here- I’m also concerned about his less than
>>> enthusiastic attitude towards climate solutions.
>>> As Gerry said though, always open to listen to new info
>>> Phil
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Phil Smith
>>> 262-719 1542.
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 7:21 AM, Gerald Flakas via Lekooks <
>>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Third party candidates have a history of electing presidents who are the
>>> opposite of the third party candidates: Ross Perot gave us Clinton over
>>> Bush I in '92, Ralph Nader gave us Bush II in 2000, and Jill Stein gave us
>>> Trump in '16. RFK II would give us Trump for sure.
>>> As for RFK II on vaccinations, everything I've see about him looks
>>> pretty extreme and even unhinged. Jon, can you furnish any references that
>>> show otherwise?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 03:52:11 PM CDT, Jon Hubbard via Lekooks <
>>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't vote out of fear, and it's only the two party belief system that
>>> has people believing that 3rd parties don't have a chance... there's plenty
>>> of evidence this time that RFK jr DOES have a chance.
>>>
>>> Just because you did the right thing one time and it didn't work doesn't
>>> mean you shouldn't ever try again, especially when there's so much that's
>>> different.
>>>
>>> Dare to dream, you know?
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 3:46 PM Jane Johnson <jjnijohnson at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jon and John-Here is my simplistic response to your emails:
>>>
>>> John-Biden had a bad performance but I personally think it's too late to
>>> replace him. I am thinking about the candidates as leaders of a team. I try
>>> to picture voting for Biden's cabinet, policies, and potential appointees
>>> and not just Joe. VERSES... Trump's team of family and bad guys!!! (I
>>> am very concerned about the future of the Supreme Court.)
>>>
>>> Jon-I recently discussed the 2000 election with a friend that voted for
>>> Ralph Nader. Nader had no chance of winning as a 3rd party candidate. Nader
>>> was a great guy but took votes away from Al Gore, especially in FL and NH,
>>> and this gave us 8 years of George W. Bush.
>>>
>>> Many people are disgusted with the choice of candidates but please think
>>> about Team Blue verses Team Red. Which one aligns more closely with your
>>> values?
>>>
>>> Jane Johnson
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 01:45:10 PM CDT, Jon Hubbard via Lekooks <
>>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This is actually a perfect example of a stroy that's been twisted and
>>> misrepresented- he's not anti-vax, he's actually advocating for more
>>> research, and calling out some very suspicious priorities from the fda.
>>>
>>> There's lots of propaganda like this out there meant to discredit him
>>> and make everyone believe your only two options are Trump and Biden, so I
>>> don't think I want to sign up to respond everyone comes across another
>>> rumor or story fed to them from the rnc or dnc... I'll just repeat my first
>>> point- do some research, go straight to the source, and maybe you'll like
>>> what you find.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 1:15 PM Elisabeth Harrahy <eharrahy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just FYI. Robert F Kennedy Jr has a track record of being anti-vaccine,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 12:14 PM Jon Hubbard via Lekooks <
>>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> At the risk of starting a political debate here, there is another
>>> option:  Kennedy.
>>>
>>> The media has been deliberately misleading both sides to think he's a
>>> spoiler candidate and/or has no chance, and flooding the public with
>>> misinformation on what he stands for.  Polls everywhere are saying he's got
>>> every chance to beat either or both of the "traditional" candidates. He
>>> streamed the debate last night and answered all the same questions with the
>>> same rules, and his answers were articulate, positive, actionable, and not
>>> focused on just the mudslinging we saw from the other two.  For those of us
>>> who watched his version (which included everything said on the CNN
>>> production) we got to see what a *real* candidate actually is like. It
>>> was inspiring, which is a sentiment that's coming out of neither of the
>>> traditional camps this morning.  He prioritized and championed human
>>> rights, healing our nation, prioritizing true health care, not big-pharma,
>>> eliminating corruption in our government agencies, and rebuilding America
>>> not as a domineering world force, but as a nation of integrity with a
>>> vision of a positive future.  I am 45, and I have *never* been inspired
>>> by a candidate like this.
>>>
>>> If you're interested in moving this country forward in a positive
>>> direction, if, like so many of us, you're tired of politics being focused
>>> on the bipartisan bickering, then take a minute and check out
>>> https://www.kennedy24.com/
>>>
>>> You don't have to vote out of fear, you don't have to choose the lesser
>>> of two evils.  There's hope.  Have an open mind, go to his website, see
>>> what he stands for, and see if you don't find something you can believe in.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 10:08 AM John Kuhn via Lekooks <
>>> lekooks at lekook.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems to me after last night’s performance and the resulting media
>>> publicity that Biden has very little chance in hell of winning in
>>> November.  I don’t understand why he doesn’t step aside for VP Harris or a
>>> popular moderate like Gov Beshear of Kentucky!  The whole Democratic Party
>>> is going to accountable for Biden losing to Trump and not doing anything
>>> about it while the ship is sinking.  Instead of just being sad, I sent
>>> emails to Biden, Harris and the DNC chair voicing my opinion.  Unless you
>>> are okay with Trump winning in November, it wouldn’t hurt for you to do the
>>> same.  Maybe if enough of us do it, things will change.  Here are some
>>> links to make it easy:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/share/
>>>
>>> https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/
>>>
>>> https://democrats.org/contact-us/
>>>
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